Fightline.com: I'm assuming that your aware of the bad blood between Tito Ortiz and Dana White that seemed to boil over at UFC 84. What's your take on that situation?

Gary Shaw: Dana doesn't want anyone to become bigger than him in the UFC and that's nuts because it's the athlete that makes the company. Without the athlete you have no product. It's just bad business.

Fightline.com: This seems to happen between Dana and some of his biggest stars. We saw the fallout between he and Frank and Ken Shamrock, he and Randy Couture and now he and Tito Ortiz. Why does this seem to happen between Dana and some of his high profile athletes?

Gary Shaw: Because he wants to be the star. He thinks he should be the star. He's got a private jet, he's got a swimming pool the size of the Atlantic Ocean, it's wrong. It's dead wrong it's not what you should do. The athlete is your product. That's what you should be selling. You know, on a personal level I have nothing against Dana. Dana comes across as an idiot because he says idiotic things. He said he invented MMA, and he did not invent it [laughs]. I have nothing bad to say about the UFC, Mark Ratner's like a brother to me. I know Lorenzo Fertitta and I have a world of respect for Lorenzo Fertitta. He is a very, very good business man and he's a fine individual and I have a world of respect for him. I have always said that they have a fine brand and their the leading brand. I will never say anything bad about those people, but Dana White, as long as he keeps opening his idiotic mouth then I'll keep responding. If he thinks Kimbo is as Dana says, "nothing', then he should stand in the cage with him. And I'm willing to do that. And he's a lot bigger than B.J. Penn. Why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is?

Fightline.com: You'd be willing to promote that?

Gary Shaw: Absolutely. When he went for his boxing license when he was gonna put on that sham of a fight, I offered to promote it. He's very promotable because he's got that big, ugly mouth.

Fightline.com: Are you speaking of the proposed boxing match between Dana White and Tito Ortiz?

Gary Shaw: Yeah.

Fightline.com: What would've happened had Tito Ortiz shown up for that fight?

Gary Shaw: Tito would have crushed him.

Fightline.com: Have you had any conversations with Tito about coming over to EliteXC?

Gary Shaw: I haven't talked to Tito, but he knows he has an open audience with me. I read recently where he might want to go with Affliction and if that's the route he chooses than I don't think it's the right move. You know, it doesn't get bigger than CBS. It's the most exposure they can get. Their sponsorship dollars go up so we'll see. The door's always open for Tito. If you talk to him tell him to call me, tell him I'm looking for him. I mean that.