Frank Shamrock: Bob always let us fight. He used to encourage us, you know. If you had a beef then you go into the living room and everyone would stand in a circle and you'd box each other until somebody cried uncle, gave up, got tired, or got a bloody nose. He was old school about that. But at that time I was never much of a fighter. Ken was the fighter. I liked to read and I was more artistic. I didn't have much for sports or fighting at the time.

Fightline.com: So what changed? What made fighting interesting to you?

Frank Shamrock: When I got into it, I took more of a scholastic approach to fighting. I looked at it as a schooling process and during that process I learned that what we were doing was an art form; and our art is to do the most damage with the least amount of effort while sustaining the least amount of damage to yourself. That's the baseline of the art. And your body is the canvas. You should be able to make your body do anything. I don't get mad or angry about it. I wouldn't want to get into a street fight. This is what I do and I really enjoy it as an art.

Fightline.com: Can you talk a little bit about your personal relationship with Ken?

Frank Shamrock: We don't really have one, we never have. I've never had a heart to heart conversation with the guy. He was never available and I was never a good communicator. We were too guys that never got past working out together. It's totally bizarre. I know more about the guys I train with today than I've ever known about Ken. I think when we were younger Ken was a very closed off dude and I wasn't a good communicator. Now, that's changed for me and Ken's changed as well but we never grew together. I've had more serious conversations with Ken about our upcoming event than about anything else. I think this is the event that will bring the family together and I don't know why but we're just a weird family. Isn't that bizarre. But that's how I meet all of my friends at the school and that's how I got respect from people and even to this day that's how I get respect from people. We throw down and then we get respect from each other.

Fightline.com: That's interesting. So, have you and Ken fought before?

Frank Shamrock: I was never competitive against Ken. Ken would just crush me, always. He was bigger than me and he had way more knowledge than I ever did at that time.